Zeta Reticuli 2 (with about the same temperature and mass as the Sun) is another candidate. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. Skeptic. Bullard, Thomas. (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part ofthe Sirius tore." Many served in the French army in World War I and some of them could have returned years later with colorful embellishments for their native legends. The proof is supplied by (the Odyssey), where Helios is said to possess 7 herds of 50 cows each and 7 herds of 50 sheep, a transparent allegory of the days and nights of the year.") Somehow, Temple and I have never gotten our disputes off on the right foot. by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. "We have in the Dogon information a predictive mechanism which it is our duty to test, regardless of our preconceptions." | 3938 State St., Suite # 101, Santa Barbara, CA, 93105-3114 | 1-805-576-9396. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. contact with some ugly, amphibious* They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the Sirius figures prominently in the Dogon myths. The parts that bear at least a superficial resemblance to astronomical facts are most likely trimmings added in this century. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired The Dogon. As Picknett and Prince have been able to show, Temples arguments are often based on erroneous readings of encyclopdia entries and misrepresentations of ancient Egyptian mythology. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). different civilizations thousands of miles or thousands of years apart and to other equally questionable tactics. The Dogons were not isolated. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer Is Sirius a Triple Star?, Adams, H. H. 1983. But from whom? If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. And as to good manners, Temple for his part has never answered any of my own personal letters asking for clarification and explanation of controversial points. The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. Most important, no one, even within the circle Randi, James. sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. Robert Temple, who spent eight years studying mythology, is convinced that he can trace the Sirius-B information back to the Sumerians. But if the error is real, it reflects on the only kind of hard, checkable, testable evidence Temple has offered for his theories. to other visible stars near Sirius as recognition of the invisible For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. A critical analysis has to investigate the accuracy of such claims, so as to judge the validity of the book's conclusions. But that doesn't stop Temple. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. astronomical information. Ogotemmeli: An Introduction to Dogon Religious What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. to be the best candidate evidence available today for man's past contact with advanced extraterrestrial civilization." sigui, held by the Dogon every sixty years. At the latitude of Egypt, over distances of several hundred kilometers, planetary curvature introduces distortions only on the order of fractions of kilometers, not the tens of kilometers worth of inaccuracies I found in Temple's claim. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? This sounds significant and convincing until one measures the distance on a map and discovers an "immensely accurate equality" of a twenty percent difference! this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no Also, in the 1980s and 1990s, anthropologist Walter van Beek could find no evidence that the Dogon possessed knowledge about Sirius B today.9 But more enlightening is the fact that Griaule studied astronomy in Paris and brought star maps with him to Mali. Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. Ask about whatever you want with our Free Rune Readings! It blazes forth from the constellation of Canis Major (Big Dog), giving it the inevitable nickname of the Dog Star. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. Could a remote African people have gained esoteric knowledge about the sky without having telescopes? The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) Credulous scholars, like Young and Temple, were taken in and through them a whole generation has swallowed the false mythology of aliens from the Dark Sirius Companion. This article appeared in Fortean Times. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. Used under aCreative Commons license. The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. On this episode of MonsterTalk we chat with archeologist Dr. Ken Feder about giants, biblical archeology and one of the biggest hoaxes in American history. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. interesting that the Greek Sirius is Seirios.". For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. Sagan suggests, however, that that civilization was They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. Ideas originally published in 1948, reprint (Oxford University Press 1997). WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. The two anthropologists who first studied the Dogon (Griaule and Deiterlen) conducted their research in the 1930s. If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. McDaid, Liam. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. Cook some soul food. In the 1930s, when their research was carried out, Sirius B was known to have existed, even though it was only photographed in 1970. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. The book's advertising blurb quotes prolific science writer Isaac Asimov, who says, "I couldn't find any mistakes in this book. The Dogon Revisited 2000. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). The expedition, led by Henri Deslandres, stayed in the field for five weeks, and it is reasonable that during this time many contacts with the locals took place, and that relatively modern astronomical knowledge was then transferred. Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s before he visited the Dogon there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C. The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. technological societies located on planet earth. The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological by Philip Coppens. Whew! Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Schroder, D.J., et al. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Strangely, ancient records explicitly list Sirius as one of six "red stars." Ancient Broca's Brain (New York: Random House, 1979), Perhaps the source was Temple Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? Dogon to explain their beliefs. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Here, then, is another datum to be investigated when it is possible." It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. 68-70. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. Temple considers alternative possibilities other than alien contact, such as a very ancient, advanced, and lost civilization that was behind the sudden appearance of advanced civilization in both Egypt and Sumer. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? First, in general, Temple displays his own gross ignorance of geometry and spherical trigonometry. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally More recent research suggests that the contaminator was Griaule himself. Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. 11.1. space. Did Oberg? The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. Moon is traveling through Cancer today. The so-called "Sirius Mystery" can easily be explained by a transfer of knowledge from European visitors during that time period - and we know for a fact that several major visits by astronomers actually occurred during that time. The ancient records are filled with unanswered astronomical questions -- including the "red Sirius" and the possible Sumerian Ea-Oannes references to the spectacular Vela-X supernova. The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Minor Arcana, The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Major Arcana, My Reading with Kristine from Psychic Source Review, Get the best Psychic Reading Ever Best Psychics Ive Reviewed, The Cathars: the struggle for and of a new Church, The Strange Stone Discs of Baian-Kara-Ula, William Blake: What paintings of visions come. It is important to look at the assumptions and implications of the claims made about the Dogon. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. "Lecture 1st The Dogon People Revisited.. interpreter. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. Europeans too believed that the "white dwarf' Sirius-B star was the heaviest thing in the universe, although in later years astronomers were to find Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. Seeking Clarity? One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the Given that the French stayed in their territory for five weeks and had several local guides, it would not be surprising if they shared some astronomical knowledge during that time. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. It's fascinating. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. ), many debunked issues keep rising from the dead like vampires springing from their tombs. Meanwhile the Dogon myths continue to baffle investigators. Obviously, no Earth-based species was flying to other stars back then! sources for Temple's story. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? Conversations With Noah Brosch explained in his book Sirius Matters that cultural transfer could have taken place between 19th century French astronomers and Dogon tribe members during the observations of the solar eclipse on 16 April 1893. thousands of similar objects along with even heavier and denser objects such as neutron stars and black holes. If a European they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. Sagan, Carl. Griaule, Marcel. some 8.6 light years from earth. Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. Such is the case with the Dogon a West African people and their supposed advanced and inexplicable knowledge of the stars Sirius A and Sirius B. Sirius A is the brightest star in our sky. Press J to jump to the feed. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Temple's book and the debates that followed its release publicized the existence of the Dogon tribe among many New Age followers and proponents of ancient astronaut theories. <> things. He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". Lets start with the first idea, proffered by Robert Temple.1 Temples basic premise is that the Nommos visited the Dogon at some point in the past and gave them information that, in one form or another, the Dogon have passed down through oral tradition. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. The interval between ceremonies may be forty, fifty or sixty years. No such nebula is seen. The author mentions that he could have made the book much longer but restrained himself "lest I blow this book up into a pufball of miscellaneous odds and ends" -- which prompted one reviewer to remark that Temple had stopped much too late to avoid that fate. due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. good amount of discussion of Sirius in the scientific press in the '20s so ch. The line that Temple labeled Orbit of Sirius B is actually a figure the Dogon think of as a cosmic egg. The symbol for Sirius A is just one of many objects in the Dogon cosmos (C is the Sun of Women, F is the Star of Women, etc.). The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. September 1976 saw In September 1980, Dr. Philip C. Steffey did an in-depth analysis of Dogon astronomical traditions in "Some Serious Astronomy in the 'Sirius Mystery,' " which criticized Temple's book as "inadequate and full of factual errors and misrepresentation of critical material. Carl Sagan's contribution to this discussion was in his book Broca's Brain (1979). no conclusions of any kind." By comparison, our own Sun was that old 3.4 billion years ago. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. 139-167. Some surviving informants of Griaule who spoke to van Beek made it clear that the Dogon learned about Sirius B from him!10, The Dogon dont speak of objects in the Kuiper Belt, or spokes in Saturns rings, or the ring arcs of Neptune. One of Temple's main They dont have telescopes or other It is also the home of the brightest star in the night sky, Sirius A. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Laird Scranton makes it clear that he ruled out this possibility in this interview. Though Temples work was challenged, at its core lay the original anthropological study of the Dogon by Griaule and Dieterlen, who describe the secret knowledge of Sirius B and Sirius C in their own book The Pale Fox. extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. A must for every bookshelf.ORDER the book, It seems clear that the Dogon did indeed get their information from other cultures. One group says the Dogon got their information from aliens from the Sirian system called Nommos. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. African thought. Saturn is not, as the Dogons insist, the farthest planet in the solar system. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. Sirius B was known to exist then. Modern astronomers have discovered the remains of the supernova Vela-X in a constellation which would have been visible in the low southern sky from Sumer. Griaule and Dieterlen first described their findings in an article published in French in 1950, but they included no comment about how extraordinary the Dogon knowledge of the invisible companions was. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational Also it would take a very good set of lenses to see Sirius B, which has an apparent magnitude of 8.44 and a separation from Sirius A of 10 arcseconds (0.3% of a 1 angle) under the best conditions. 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